ORF 2 Stream Crash on TVH Server

phaze75 · 2025-10-08T18:42:25+00:00

Hi there, For the past few weeks, I’ve been experiencing an issue with the ORF 2 channel stream provided by the Austrian Broadcasting Corporation. This chan...

phaze75

DeltaMikeCharlie
As TVH crashes I guess I can't record the mux with TVH, can I? This would mean I have to record the mux directly from my minisatip server leaving out TVH entirely, or does the recording need to be descrambled? Which tools would you recommend (preferrably for Win11)?

DeltaMikeCharlie

phaze75 As TVH crashes I guess I can't record the mux with TVH, can I?

You can record the mux without playing or decoding it.

https://docs.tvheadend.org/documentation/creating-a-mux-dump

phaze75

DeltaMikeCharlie

You can record the mux without playing or decoding it.

https://docs.tvheadend.org/documentation/creating-a-mux-dump

Perfect! I will create a dump tonight. Any suggestions on how and what to analyze afterwards?

phaze75

DaveH

Your question to them needn't involve TVH at all. You'd be asking about what they do.

Email's out. Let's see what customer service can do for me. ;-)

You perhaps could also try to see if the terrestrial signal has the same problem.

Unfortunately I don't have the equipment for terrestrial broadcasts.

DeltaMikeCharlie

I have used DVB Inspector,dvbsnoop and tsduck in the past, but only for metadata analysis, not programme streams.

Perhaps even something like FFMPEG may report a change in programme stream parameters during conversion.

You could also play the entire stream using VLC, selecting individual programmes and see if one glitches.

I'm not sure how any of these tools handle encrypted streams. They probably need to be decrypted first. I'm not sure if a TVH mux dump provides a raw encrypted stream or a decrypted one.

phaze75

DeltaMikeCharlie

I usesd VLC to play the dumped mux. Unfortunately it is scrambled. Fortunately this made me aware of the fact, that after the switch from "national" to "regional" the "ORF 2 St HD" stream becomes unscrambled. The Program (13301) stays the same.

"National" stream before the switch:

"Regional" stream after the switch:

However, I have still no idea how to proceed.

Sp3ncMan

Hi all, I have the same problem. Switch from national to regional is working once, change from regional to national is not working, just freezing and black stream. To stop channel and tune in again is not working - only TVH restart is helping.

I have some logs, perhaps someone is able to see something here:

Logs from National to Regional (time: 18:57:17)

tvheadend:

2025-10-13 18:53:31.789 capmt: Oscam: Starting CAPMT server for service "ORF2K HD" on adapter 4
2025-10-13 18:53:31.789 subscription: 0004: "192.168.1.56 [ | Kodi Media Center ]" subscribing on channel "ORF2K HD", weight: 100, adapter: "M4 #4 : DVB-S #0", network: "Astra 19.2E", mux: "11273.25H", provider: "ORF", service: "ORF2K HD", profile="htsp", hostname="192.168.1.56", username="192.168.1.56", client="Kodi Media Center"
2025-10-13 18:57:42.724 TS: Astra 19.2E/11273.25H/ORF2K HD: H264 @ #3020 Continuity counter error (total 1)
2025-10-13 18:57:42.724 TS: Astra 19.2E/11273.25H/ORF2K HD: AC3 @ #3021 Continuity counter error (total 1)
2025-10-13 18:57:42.724 TS: Astra 19.2E/11273.25H/ORF2K HD: TELETEXT @ #3025 Continuity counter error (total 1)
2025-10-13 18:57:42.724 descrambler: cannot decode packets for service "ORF2K HD"
2025-10-13 18:57:52.835 TS: Astra 19.2E/11273.25H/ORF2K HD: TELETEXT @ #3025 Continuity counter error (total 2462)
2025-10-13 18:57:52.835 TS: Astra 19.2E/11273.25H/ORF2K HD: H264 @ #3020 Continuity counter error (total 5569)
2025-10-13 18:57:52.835 TS: Astra 19.2E/11273.25H/ORF2K HD: AC3 @ #3021 Continuity counter error (total 3812)
2025-10-13 18:57:52.835 descrambler: cannot decode packets for service "ORF2K HD"
2025-10-13 18:57:52.985 htsp: 192.168.1.56 [ | Kodi Media Center ]: Disconnected
2025-10-13 18:57:52.985 subscription: 0004: "192.168.1.56 [ | Kodi Media Center ]" unsubscribing from "ORF2K HD", hostname="192.168.1.56", username="192.168.1.56", client="Kodi Media Center"
2025-10-13 18:57:53.033 htsp: Got connection from 192.168.1.56
2025-10-13 18:57:53.034 htsp: 192.168.1.56: Welcomed client software: Kodi Media Center (HTSPv35)
2025-10-13 18:57:53.035 htsp: 192.168.1.56 [ Kodi Media Center ]: Identified as user ''
2025-10-13 18:57:55.859 mpegts: 11273.25H in Astra 19.2E - tuning on M4 #4 : DVB-S #0
2025-10-13 18:57:56.087 capmt: Oscam: Starting CAPMT server for service "ORF2K HD" on adapter 4
2025-10-13 18:57:56.087 subscription: 0005: "192.168.1.56 [ | Kodi Media Center ]" subscribing on channel "ORF2K HD", weight: 100, adapter: "M4 #4 : DVB-S #0", network: "Astra 19.2E", mux: "11273.25H", provider: "ORF", service: "ORF2K HD", profile="htsp", hostname="192.168.1.56", username="192.168.1.56", client="Kodi Media Center"

oscam:

2025/10/13 18:54:57 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:7496A4DD73392C8EC5C38C8CAC634F1F): found (200 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 18:55:07 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:E42DC3444BAA611364D6E766C0145297): found (190 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 18:55:17 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:30D564591E3BE9EEFB6D2C0B31D8FB58): found (195 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 18:55:27 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:1D1466553AE643E225FFDD37DD76ED0E): found (193 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 18:55:37 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:608D4679E1C452C98EA62CC6FCD953B5): found (445 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 18:55:47 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:4BBF8EC9A9B9C3D0F21CE09A446616C0): found (196 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 18:55:57 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:BC7438BBBA6C3B630DE239C11FD0412B): found (489 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 18:56:07 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:FDDB2B2E5064E0EE3D2D12975936469A): found (199 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 18:56:17 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:C2B944A2C9A0FD6602B6D07D10D6C65B): found (196 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 18:56:27 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:9ABECE9BE6A3ED1714FD65A3C41072FC): found (185 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 18:56:37 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:09098A0719EEC5AE0FB0ECE77D409B0C): found (192 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 18:56:47 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:315F81AA65A0E33AA4AD8D86F678748D): found (188 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 18:56:57 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:80F5D0ABC0A6D645E6BA7C28DD1816C4): found (194 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 18:57:07 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:37308348B10EB11DA30D7DFFBFCFE63C): found (208 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 18:57:17 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:8922B995A8583E5E80D8D72C66D7912A): found (191 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 18:57:17 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 received CA PMT update for program 33F6
2025/10/13 18:57:17 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 continues processing for program 33F6
2025/10/13 18:57:17 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 0 CAID: 0500 ECM_PID: 0A47 PROVID: 051900
2025/10/13 18:57:17 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 1 CAID: 098D ECM_PID: 0A44 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 18:57:17 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 2 CAID: 09C4 ECM_PID: 0A3A PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 18:57:17 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 3 CAID: 098C ECM_PID: 0A30 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 18:57:17 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 4 CAID: 06E2 ECM_PID: 09C9 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 18:57:17 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 5 CAID: 0648 ECM_PID: 09C8 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 18:57:17 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 6 CAID: 0D95 ECM_PID: 09C7 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 18:57:17 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 7 CAID: 0D98 ECM_PID: 09C5 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 18:57:17 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 8 CAID: 0650 ECM_PID: 09C6 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 18:57:17 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 found 9 ECM pids and 3 STREAM pids in CA PMT
2025/10/13 18:57:18 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 received CA PMT update for program 33F6
2025/10/13 18:57:18 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 continues processing for program 33F6
2025/10/13 18:57:18 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 0 CAID: 0500 ECM_PID: 0A47 PROVID: 051900
2025/10/13 18:57:18 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 1 CAID: 098D ECM_PID: 0A44 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 18:57:18 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 2 CAID: 09C4 ECM_PID: 0A3A PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 18:57:18 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 3 CAID: 098C ECM_PID: 0A30 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 18:57:18 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 4 CAID: 06E2 ECM_PID: 09C9 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 18:57:18 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 5 CAID: 0648 ECM_PID: 09C8 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 18:57:18 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 6 CAID: 0D95 ECM_PID: 09C7 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 18:57:18 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 7 CAID: 0D98 ECM_PID: 09C5 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 18:57:18 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 8 CAID: 0650 ECM_PID: 09C6 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 18:57:18 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 found 9 ECM pids and 3 STREAM pids in CA PMT
2025/10/13 18:57:52 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 stopped descrambling for program 33F6 (ORF2K HD)
2025/10/13 18:57:56 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 0 CAID: 0650 ECM_PID: 09C6 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 18:57:56 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 found 1 ECM pids and 3 STREAM pids in CA PMT
2025/10/13 18:57:56 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 trying to descramble PID 0 CAID 0650 PROVID 000000 ECMPID 09C6 ANY CHID PMTPID 012E VPID 0BCC
2025/10/13 18:57:56 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:6B30D881DCB7A9C4378D0C1DC22B0C4D): found (206 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 18:57:57 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:413ABA4239A1D9A166D1D5C3F42B67AF): found (191 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 18:58:07 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:B51890BA7A7F8C14BDF935CC06BB9A38): found (198 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 18:58:17 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:BAED619CD3A8D1A8251FEDBBB62249D9): found (202 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)

Logs from Regional to National

tvheadend:
2025-10-13 19:22:16.035 htsp: 192.168.1.56 [ | Kodi Media Center ]: Disconnected
2025-10-13 19:22:16.035 subscription: 0007: "192.168.1.56 [ | Kodi Media Center ]" unsubscribing from "ORF2K HD", hostname="192.168.1.56", username="192.168.1.56", client="Kodi Media Center"
2025-10-13 19:22:16.100 htsp: Got connection from 192.168.1.56
2025-10-13 19:22:16.105 htsp: 192.168.1.56: Welcomed client software: Kodi Media Center (HTSPv35)
2025-10-13 19:22:16.112 htsp: 192.168.1.56 [ Kodi Media Center ]: Identified as user ''
2025-10-13 19:22:18.890 mpegts: 11273.25H in Astra 19.2E - tuning on M4 #5 : DVB-S #0
2025-10-13 19:22:19.118 capmt: Oscam: Starting CAPMT server for service "ORF2K HD" on adapter 5
2025-10-13 19:22:19.118 subscription: 0008: "192.168.1.56 [ | Kodi Media Center ]" subscribing on channel "ORF2K HD", weight: 100, adapter: "M4 #5 : DVB-S #0", network: "Astra 19.2E", mux: "11273.25H", provider: "ORF", service: "ORF2K HD", profile="htsp", hostname="192.168.1.56", username="192.168.1.56", client="Kodi Media Center"

oscam:

2025/10/13 19:20:17 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:469694B1C25A9CF3C51C5478FCA3F52A): found (230 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:20:27 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:EF45B9CB07ABECE79F4CB4F3BF50E4CE): found (188 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:20:37 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:BB3591DA64E2E805CAE864F71BC1E9E8): found (193 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:20:47 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:0D86B7C31A247530CE464D7F20AE406E): found (478 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:20:57 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:74DA8BAD75E3A10B9F8BA7374AF35DCE): found (452 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:21:07 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:9EEAFF56EA8C39B687825C8D161E7999): found (185 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:21:17 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:6740A641FCB8C2A00F9DBE53E3737D83): found (454 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:21:27 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:BEF24FED8D58A08E1E6CEA26C0A5B615): found (444 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:21:37 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E😃2C1E6CA21C80762BE587E5EA75CDC26): found (193 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:21:47 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:04CA146A11484C741208F9C1D988F5C8): found (495 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:21:57 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:76C34BE2731F24C3EB3ADE8B69D6347D): found (452 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 received CA PMT update for program 33F6
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 continues processing for program 33F6
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 0 CAID: 0500 ECM_PID: 0A47 PROVID: 051900
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 1 CAID: 098D ECM_PID: 0A44 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 2 CAID: 09C4 ECM_PID: 0A3A PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 3 CAID: 098C ECM_PID: 0A30 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 4 CAID: 06E2 ECM_PID: 09C9 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 5 CAID: 0648 ECM_PID: 09C8 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 6 CAID: 0D95 ECM_PID: 09C7 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 7 CAID: 0D98 ECM_PID: 09C5 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 8 CAID: 0650 ECM_PID: 09C6 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 found 9 ECM pids and 4 STREAM pids in CA PMT
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 received CA PMT update for program 33F6
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 continues processing for program 33F6
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 0 CAID: 0500 ECM_PID: 0A47 PROVID: 051900
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 1 CAID: 098D ECM_PID: 0A44 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 2 CAID: 09C4 ECM_PID: 0A3A PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 3 CAID: 098C ECM_PID: 0A30 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 4 CAID: 06E2 ECM_PID: 09C9 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 5 CAID: 0648 ECM_PID: 09C8 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 6 CAID: 0D95 ECM_PID: 09C7 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 7 CAID: 0D98 ECM_PID: 09C5 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 8 CAID: 0650 ECM_PID: 09C6 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 19:22:05 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 found 9 ECM pids and 4 STREAM pids in CA PMT
2025/10/13 19:22:16 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 stopped descrambling for program 33F6 (ORF2K HD)
2025/10/13 19:22:19 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 0 CAID: 0650 ECM_PID: 09C6 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 19:22:19 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 found 1 ECM pids and 4 STREAM pids in CA PMT
2025/10/13 19:22:19 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 trying to descramble PID 0 CAID 0650 PROVID 000000 ECMPID 09C6 ANY CHID PMTPID 012E VPID 0BB8
2025/10/13 19:22:19 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:853C9B81645CC0EE6012D322CF6F76A5): found (187 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:22:27 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:679239A8C998055BC47A0CB406BB347F): found (211 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:22:37 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:E591B45EBE24D04FB82695A76472450E): found (192 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:22:47 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:5EDE6C8395EE056493E9CD7CC698B009): found (199 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:22:57 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:F94C2F4361544EE51E3F17DB7D9E6638): found (188 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:23:04 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 stopped descrambling for program 33F6 (ORF2K HD)
2025/10/13 19:23:06 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 ecmpid 0 CAID: 0650 ECM_PID: 09C6 PROVID: 000000
2025/10/13 19:23:06 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 found 1 ECM pids and 4 STREAM pids in CA PMT
2025/10/13 19:23:06 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 trying to descramble PID 0 CAID 0650 PROVID 000000 ECMPID 09C6 ANY CHID PMTPID 012E VPID 0BB8
2025/10/13 19:23:06 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:F94C2F4361544EE51E3F17DB7D9E6638): cache1 (0 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:23:07 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:94FF960D004A06D990166501D634B369): found (187 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:23:17 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:E40A89AFDF7B8839661E629B3B89C487): found (192 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:23:27 68CA0B44 c (ecm) tvheadend (0650@000000/0000/33F6/4E:222623D65149572AFA372F027FFB9445): found (198 ms) by Reader-0 - ORF2K HD (lg)
2025/10/13 19:23:31 68CA0B44 c (dvbapi) Demuxer 0 stopped descrambling for program 33F6 (ORF2K HD)

DeltaMikeCharlie

phaze75 the "ORF 2 St HD" stream becomes unscrambled.

This is good news because we now have a clue where to look. As a first guess, perhaps TVH only looks at the scrambled flag at the start of the stream and does not check if it has changed. Or perhaps the broadcaster leaves the scrambled flag but transmits unscrambled data.

I found some specs:

phaze75

I also checked "ORF 2 K HD" in my mux dump. Fun fact: the stream stays scrambled also after the switch from "national" to "regional". So, the regional broadcasting stations obviously handle encryption differently - that's Austria. ;-)

DeltaMikeCharlie

@phaze75 - Can you please send me your mux dump using something like https://filetransfer.io/ ?

phaze75

DeltaMikeCharlie

Can you please send me your mux dump using something like https://filetransfer.io/ ?

I'm so sorry for my late answer. Although I am following the thread, I did not get any notifications about new posts lately. My bad I didn't look into it earlier.

I uploaded my mux here: https://www.transfernow.net/dl/20251027Z4fgZaFB

The switch in the ORF2St stream from national/scrambled to regional/unscrambled is at minute 07:58. Sorry for the large file, I just didn't want to miss the switch. ;-)

DeltaMikeCharlie

@phaze75 @Sp3ncMan

I have an experiment that you can try if you are willing.

We know that TVH can detect the change between a service when it is scrambled and unscrambled because when you reboot TVH and restart the stream, it works again.

I'd like to test if TVH can dynamically detect the change without rebooting:

When the stream freezes because of the change from scrambled to unscrambled, go into the WebUI and re-tune that mux only. (Config/DVB Inputs/Muxes, Scan Status=ACTIVE)
Perhaps the stream will restart by itself, but I suspect that you will have to restart the stream.
Does the service now work?
Once the service goes back to scrambled mode, you will need to re-tune the mux again.

If this experiment is successful, it means that during the stream, TVH may be able to keep track of the 'scrambled' flag and adjust automatically when the flag changes.

phaze75

DeltaMikeCharlie

I have an experiment that you can try if you are willing.

I will try that.

phaze75

DeltaMikeCharlie When the stream freezes because of the change from scrambled to unscrambled, go into the WebUI and re-tune that mux only. (Config/DVB Inputs/Muxes, Scan Status=ACTIVE)
Perhaps the stream will restart by itself, but I suspect that you will have to restart the stream.
Does the service now work?

Today the ORF2St HD stream didn't crash switching from national to regional, but from regional back to national. Same black screen, no audio. I tried to re-tune the mux as described, but more than a "Pending" was not achieved. I tried additionally to switch channels back and forth, but no success either.

But what I observed is, that the ORF2St HD stream was still running in the /Status/Stream window, the bandwith values were constantly changing as usual and the error counters were not counting up. I then checked the oscam live-log and I could see, that also descrambeling of ORF2St HD was still up and running and not throwing any errors. So, I assume that whatever in the process crashes on the TVH side, crashes after receiving the descrambling keys.

Sp3ncMan

@DeltaMikeCharlie : I have tried to set your suggestion, it does not work to reactivate the mux.

What I want to make clear: the DVB Stream itself is always encrypted with Irdeto (was on cryptoworks where it works like a charm!!). When the channel is switch from National to Regional, I think there are only changing some PIDs in the stream. This change is not recognized by TVH in a correct way.

The funny thing: restart TVH --> National works again --> wait for stream change to regional --> switch makes channel black --> channel doesn't work anymore, also if channel goes back to national stream --> restart TVH --> ... ... ...

Thanks DMC!!

phaze75

Sp3ncMan

What I want to make clear: the DVB Stream itself is always encrypted with Irdeto (was on cryptoworks where it works like a charm!!).

The freezing of the ORF2St stream also occurred when it was still being decoded via Cryptoworks, though recovery was possible by switching channels back and forth. However, full stream crashes began only after the transition from Cryptoworks to Irdeto.

This suggests the issue may be related to the decryption process itself. While ORF2K is always encrypted (both national and regional), ORF2St encrypts only the national feed. Since both streams are switched dynamically, each switch likely requires the decryption process to be reinitialized, renegotiated, or restarted.

DeltaMikeCharlie

@Sp3ncMan - Can you please send me a mux dump using something like https://filetransfer.io/ ?

Sp3ncMan

Hi, of course! This is a dump from today, national stream. a regional stream I will send you tomorrow, no broadcast today ;-)

https://limewire.com/?referrer=48k1433kko

/Mario

DeltaMikeCharlie

@Sp3ncMan - I don't see anything.

Sp3ncMan

Sorry! https://limewire.com/d/1pYQ4#Tc7cBZO6WN

DeltaMikeCharlie

Sp3ncMan - Thanks

DeltaMikeCharlie

@Sp3ncMan - Does this mux dump cover the transition between National and Local?

Sp3ncMan

no, it is national stream only! I will try to dump a stream today evening. regional broadcast is only once a day. will post it as soon i have one.

Sp3ncMan

Hi, here the stream of Mux 11273H Astra 19,2E with switchover from national to regional streams. Hopefully the switch itself is recorded. I switched over to a new file at that moment the broadcast also switched. Pls tell me if the files are useless for you. Will make a new one.

https://limewire.com/d/FqSkZ#pr2F16vokL

THX!! Mario