adjust the defaults in Muxer/Channels

Tom_LP

I installed succefull the Version 4.3-2388-gbdec3c501_trusty (and upgraded afterwards to 4.3-2391-gbdec3c501_trusty).
After the scan of the DBV-S Network, the Channels from "ORF Digital" are complete missing. He finds the old Channels on 11288V but not from 11303H ("new" since February 2025).
The interesting part : he find 3 channels in the same frequency but no one is from "ORF Digital"...
In the git.linuxtv.org there is the new service listed : https://git.linuxtv.org/dtv-scan-tables.git/tree/dvb-s/Astra-1L-19.2E
I try to add the mux manually, but the transponder is written with 1006 - but the "original" documentation writes "7" as transponder (i guess that should be read as 1007 - but i dont know really)
Source of the "ORF Digital" : http://hd.orf.at/rte/upload/bundesland/orf_frequenzliste.pdf
In the first (with Version 2388) try i managed to get the Channels for "ORF 2HD ..." (8 for different reagions) and "ORF III HD" but miss the "ORF eins HD" and "ORF 2W HD"...
In the second try i didn't find them, so the "ORF Digital" on frequency 11303H is complete missing...
Here is a list of all missing channels : https://www.satindex.de/provider/146/
At the Link from Satindex, there is interesting a interesting detail : the frequency is written as 11302H and not 11303H.... may be a mistake by the satindex.de admin's ...
So - the question is: how can i add manually the correct mux to find the channels...
I try in every part (channels; bouquets;...) to add manually, but there are requirements that i cant filled out (mux;transponder;... - the fields are simply read only)
Or simpler : how can i add a Channel completely manually - tbh: i come from VDR (since >15 years) and there is it easy to adapt the channel.conf 😉
kr Tom

DeltaMikeCharlie

Tom_LP how can i add a Channel completely manually

You can create a 'Channel' very easily, however, you will need one or more services for it to link to.

In DBV Inputs, you need to enter the right mux details. You then need to scan that mux for services. Once you have some services, you can map channels.

Tom_LP

I played around with the manual adding, but i can't give the transponder ID. there is always 1006 and should be 1007. The transponder id is part of the "read only" fields...

If i change the frequency (1) it will be reflacted in the read only fields (2), but the transport stream ID (3) is not changeable.
Regarding the documentation from ORF the parameters should be:

The question for me is: how can it changed to reflect the needs...
kr Tom

davep

Tom_LP Strange. According to https://en.kingofsat.net/pos-19.2E.php TSID 1007 is on ASTRA 1P at 11302.75H while TSID 1006 is on the same satellite at 11288V. Without a major fault in your tuner or your antenna positioning I can't see how these two services could be confused.

Tom_LP

My current steps are: install on a more current version of ubuntu and hope that the problematic DVB-Cards from DVBSky will run in the new OS. Then i will try the scan again...
May be the tools underlying works better with the multistream feature (source: https://work-microwave.com/introduction-dvb-s2-multistream/ ) that is seams is in use by ORF.

Tom_LP

Sorry - i'am confused now. Did you mean that the transponder are on fixed frequencies (not an expert 🙂 )?
If i compare the 3 different sources:

(source: https://www.satindex.de/channel/3662/ )

(source: https://git.linuxtv.org/dtv-scan-tables.git/tree/dvb-s/Astra-1L-19.2E )

(source: https://en.kingofsat.net/hdtv-19.2E_ger.php )
no one of them writes the "correct" frequence?!? And can it be that all other (!) channels are working (free + encrypted) except the 3 Channels from one Provider? ORF Digital is relatively new on this transponder places... (since february 2025 as i know - until this point the SD-Channels are working, so i didn't see a need to change to the new channels... )
tbh: the Hardware is working with VDR for the last >12₁₅ Years and i had never an issue with the channels. I must change the decryption so i had to go with a "newer" solution. VDR is frozen at the level of 15 years ago and there are no newer working version (DVBAPI / SC /...) that i can use....
If i understand you correctly, there can only be a failure in my hardware setup? Could other things happen that the responder is wrong identified in the "read only fields" ?
I will check the cards and cables, but in general the worked around the clock in the last years.
kR Tom

Tom_LP

AAAAHHHHHhhhhhhh.......
If i select "none" in the hide-selector of Services THEN i see one time the needed channel.

BUT i cant use it. The Parent is disabled. I can't figure out which one is the parent. I see the ID of the Parent:

but the Muxer for 11303H is enabled. I can't say that the enabled Muxer is the right one. The ID from the screenshot above is no where noted in the Muxer. No UUID at all to compare with the "read only Field" of the Service 🙁
And without the enabled Muxer i cant enable the one time founded Channel. On furture look ups i identified another differences. The encryption isn't identified correctly an the "Service Type flag" is noted with "1"... The CAID is empty and should be 0650..
I don't know when the channel is comes into place. In one of the Tests it comes, but was disabled. So i didn't recognise that is there... It was pure coincidence that I saw it now.
As you see in the screenshot. Other channels are listed 2-3-4 times. I thought all along that TVH was avoiding duplicate channels...

davep

Tom_LP The "parent disabled" flag is confusing. Tvheadend needs to be able to 'see' the service on-air during a mux scan in order to record what type of video, audio etc it contains; without this the "parent disabled" flag is set. This is a problem for part-time and pop-up services.

Can you re-scan the mux at a time when you know that the service is on-air and transmitting programmes?

Tom_LP As you see in the screenshot. Other channels are listed 2-3-4 times. I thought all along that TVH was avoiding duplicate channels...

Those services have had "Type Override" set. I suspect if you remove the Type Override and re-scan the duplcates will disappear.